Sign up“60 seconds to PACmidnight. Looks like their fate is in Amazon’s hands. (Ralph Freso / Associated Press) Sources say preliminary talks have started on a merger between San Diego State’s current conference and the Pac-12, which is in. That’s it. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 7. 7:34 PM · Jul 20, 2022 MHver3. ACC would like to lock up the pacific coast with WA/OR/Cal/Stanford additions as it would be a huge infusion to ACCN. Who stands to benefit the most?“@USFBullTampaBuc They should’ve built these a decade ago. “The Buffs are an inevitability now. MHver3 @MHver3 Hearing from B12 contacts in communication with Pac12 contacts that AZ and Colorado have NOT committed to signing a GOR and will not agree to sign one without a complete deal in front of them that is equitable and on par with B12/ACC. GK still only has the ESPN/Amazon offer of $22m per school. Throwing darts at walls still, MHVer3?@MHver3. Someone mentioned the Saudis last night on here-might be a good. "Hearing that UConn is leveraging for an all sports invite from B12…and BY and networks are listening. Oh btw there is an AZ board of regents. I’d be thrilled if Colorado and Arizona came in, regardless of whether any others did. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and Fox” MHver3 @MHver3 One final tidbit this afternoon:PAC is currently trying to be as attractive as they can while they see what their media rights could be if they stayed together. Could also mean ND is rethinking. @MHver3 FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. Well a big aspect of this programming and a key part of ND working close with B12 is throwing a lifeline to Stanford. Sign upSee new Tweets. FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. Washington State puts up shockingly good TV numbers. ”“Also telling that PAC12 is saying they are waiting for B10 contract to close before they “know anything”. @MHver3 But when you factor in possible matchups, multiple time zones, and other data there’s a strong belief from media consultants that the 6 PAC schools joining B12 could see their collective value closer to the full $250m yearly that ESPN was willing to pay all 10 in a vacuum @MHver3 Jul 27, 2022 If we receive applications from all 4 of the corners schools (we already have one from SDSU from last year) it’s likely we initially only invite 2 and then wait for tv negotiations to open up before adding whomever the other 2 will be. Finger pointing, yelling amongst leadership, and very pissed at ESPN for the hit piece on their conference while they are supposed to be negotiating in good faith. As did VT. OKST has been too one sided lately to be a rivalry-hopefully we can change that. @MHver3. Likes. 159. There. “@ConfCommandos Schwartzwalder wasn’t really a ratings boon after McNabb finished his 10 year career at Cuse though. ”“@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. The desire of B10 is to bring both Washington and Oregon into the fold but Fox is balking at overpaying for both west coast schools considering the actual value they bring. I don’t think anyone is getting in with a negotiated out clause. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 11:22 PM · Jul 20, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. Tweet about Oregon and Washington 1,843 Views | 20 Replies | Last: 3 mo ago by historian ScottS 2:44p, 7/27/23 Breaking from my source: Oregon and. Huge mistake. ”An excellent read that was just sent to me that really summarizes what has transpired in the past year and where we stand now-though if you’ve been following me you already know this tale. #PACinShambles”“ACC hoped that by getting Stanford it would compel ND to join. Washington has now reached out to the B12 about membership options that include an out of the GOR for B10 membership. Feel like FSU is the most vocal because they are the most edge case in the ACC. GOR have teeth even for powerful schools. MHver3 @MHver3. ”Log in. Could also mean NBC/B12 won’t happen. “So this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. This meeting is supposed to introduce a “new” interested party to possibly sell their Tier 2 package to for a higher rate than what Amazon is offering. “And hearing that Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal have reached out to the Mountain West to talk about a landing spot. Sign up“@ChiefsInsider There’s a legitimate academic snobbery by the presidents and they are trying their damndest to go down with the ship. 3. Eerily similar to communications the BIgEast put out just before it’s demise right before Pitt/Cuse/WVU/Rutgers/Louisville bolted. Beating out even the 2004-2011 BIgEast. ”MHver3 on Twitter: "CU and AZ are NOT worried about exposure by joining B12 as most if their games would be lye window games so that report is most likely coming from Utah or AZSU. ”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Gonzaga is in for basketball. I don’t hate the PAC. ”@MHver3 · May 25. $120m from Amazon/$100m espn. ”What did I tell you? No new movement to share with PAC presidents. Jeff “Jelly” Stacks“Juicy tidbit just coming in. ”Hearing GK struck out with the Amazon/ESPN deal and it’s not even going to the table for a vote-presidents asking him to go back to the networks and negotiate it higher. The Big 10 should just bring in all the schools in the Pac 10 as a Western division. ”Expansion notes thread since some of these are all over the place I thought I’d just consolidate into one place. Boise. This happened sometime in the past few days. “@BobOThomson Yes. Likes. “And then the Tier 3 which would see PAC12N move to Apple with all the rest of the total sports content for about $40m per year”Less than $200m currently. More interesting news is that OR and UW may not be a shoe-in for the B1G. MHver3 @MHver3. 🤷🏻♂️ I honestly feel sorry for most of the schools in the PAC. This will be my last tweet for a bit. You ready for this? Oregon/Washington 16. 19. Also a high ranking member of. I just wish I could get some info from the PAC but that has dried up the past few days. But it was requested by the source who shared the info with me. 1 — and for No. “Colorado doesn’t even know where Cal and Stanford truly stand and what their real plan is because so far communication has been lackluster with them. 13. OMG I was wrong. I’ll update as I get more info. Grant of Rights required or will come with a clause for reductions assigning each school a percentage of what their worth is to the overall contract. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Temporarily making my account public just to help get my info out for whomever may want to read. ” “@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. ” ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. They could very well join the four south schools in the B12… until the B1G change their mind. Retweets. Still planning for a possible defection or 3. Most of it was in depth financials done by our media consultants. ”BY possibly has a 3rd media partner on board if Fox is a no go for adding $ for new additions. 2. Retweets. 7:34 PM · Jul. Yearly scheduling of 1 ACC team per school. ”Log in. ”Hearing that Pac12 presidents have vehemently rejected 100% streaming proposal from apple. I don’t normally delete anything. MHver3. Gonzaga better fit for Pac. 19 Feb 2023 01:05:52We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @MHver3 If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. @MHver3 But when you factor in possible matchups, multiple time zones, and other data there’s a strong belief from media consultants that the 6 PAC schools. Current Pac10 members are looking at about $200-$250m per year on the open market. U conn not make this stuff up!New development to share: 2 PAC presidents plan to call for a vote of no confidence in GK at next weeks meeting. The Big East commissioner ran the conference like a basketball conference and treated football as a second class citizen, which is why Miami, VT, Boston College then WVU, Pitt and Syracuse left. @MHver3. All stuff you heard here from me way before it hit the press. Sign up“So with those for and the state schools (assuming Utah and AZSU get B12 invites) you have a core of 6. So not just a. ”“So ESPN takes more games than the current contractual obligation and uses them in the late window. FOX would be on board for heavily discounted PAC programming but we aren’t there just yet. That will never happen because these additions are based on valuation metrics. It got nasty from what I’ve been told. 1. It would seem inevitable that at some point u will say something… I mean, anything. @MHver3. “Also not a damn one of those that laughed at me when I said months ago ACC was going to adopt unequal revenue sharing came back and apologized. Also heard from a source today that someone in Colorado leadership told B12 that if Apple was going to save the Pac12 it would’ve been announced today…My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. Also-though much quieter-there will be some zig-Zagging happening this week as well I’m my home state. ” The latest tweets from @MHver3@MHver3 It is expected that tonight, Az and CU leadership will officially sign off on moving forward with officially applying for membership with Big12. I’d prefer B12 waits for eventual ACC poaching and go and get our old BIgEast mates. 23. 19 Jul 2023 04:22:28. They know. @MHver3. Hearing ESPN is taking (or already has taken) their $250m total package offer to the Pac12 off the table. Log in. Ugh. SawyerBrown94 @RChalk94 · Jul 20. Replying to @MHver3. " Arizona is the wildcard that could keep UConn from getting an all sports invite. “So this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. ”“The first show to drop was Notre Dame and NBC and the whole “shoulder programming” proposal. “Boise State making their case for inclusion into the B12. ”See new Tweets. @MHver3 BYU will raise that profile as they would come in and immediately be at least the second most valuable media rights member behind KU (as much as I hate that) due to their worldwide following. If you start to hear reports of a PAC media offer for $25-28m per school trickle out keep a couple of things in mind: 14 Mar 2023 14:40:40 @MHver3 Don’t underestimate a possible Pac12 invite for Airforce either. Ed. ”“Got some clarification on those Pac12 bylaws from my regular B12 source: leaving teams only forfeit revenues if they leave prior to August 2024. 2. ”“PAC and ACC leadership have had discussion about an alliance but only if it benefits by getting espn to reopen their tv contract. Replying to. Retweets. “So I was told the proposed breakdown for unequal revenue sharing for PAC. ”“Would a LHN converted into the B12 network, a 20 year Sugar Bowl contract and a guarantee of 8 SEC OOC games per year for 10 years be enough of a carrot for B12 to allow TXOU out early with only the exit fee penalty?”“Oregon and Washington want to wait out the 30 day window on the exclusive period for Fox and espn to renegotiate Pac12 contract before making a decision on B12 application. “@BobOThomson I mean it’d be a fun game to play on Saturdays 🤷🏻♂️. No $$ yet from the new partner-very early in talksWe would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. That’s only 4 million less than SEC. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. Fox already approved pro-rata for both. Things are getting crazy!”“And the endgame is probably 16 teams. Shouldn’t be an issue since these are not revenue sports. @MHver3. 31 May 2023 13:12:44. Retweets. (Read full thread)”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Quote Tweets. ”ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. ”Log in. 10:09 PM · Jul 26, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. St Johns has trouble competing in the Big East and would be over their head in the Big 12. ”The apple deal would see apple absorb the production costs of all the games and give them the option to sub lease games to other networks and split additional revenues with the conference. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. The only true and reliable "source'' yet to surface on the Pac-12's future. I was responding to a person that shared an article that AZ was meeting with B12 on Tuesday. He’s also telling me the big catch with the apple deal would be research grants to member schools-an area apple has been historically lagging behind other tech companies. If acc gets it first then B12 may have no need for further expansion at this time outside of maybe the AZ schools (because there is value in those markets) MHver3 @MHver3 GK is currently trying to Frankenstein a mess of a deal with ESPN getting 1 FB game per week at about $5m per game and 3 BB games per week at about $1m per week. “I’m going to go out in on a limb here and predict that the 2022 back yard brawl will have a higher rating than any regular season ACC conference game last season. UConn is still in the air as there could maybe be an all sports invite coming if the right circumstances occur but may be a bball only. ”“@blakeblahut @AveCope No. FSU is the most attractive maybe. yes they are extending his “deadline”. 35 seconds to PACmidnight. I’m hearing we could see a vote by B12 to add them within the next week or so barring a major development. ”Log in. @MHver3. “@kenneyclone @JBWinstonTX No. Sign up“Tonight’s Big12 vote isn’t to invite schools. 11. To read this post and more, One Month for Only $1. 6. Then there’s also the chance that the NY6 bowls all become absorbed into the expanded playoffs as round 1 of a 12 team playoff. “Looks like we have a new ESPN offer for PAC12. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Got a PAC update. It was $24. We’ve seen lots of tweets from reputable sources, but I’ve also seen a lot of interesting rumors from MHver3 on Twitter . ”“@MHver3 If UA and CU aren't stepping up to the plate and contributing their fair $$$ share to the PAC, it's hard to see how they'll suddenly become valuable assets for the Big 12. Yormark has a vision. Take it with a grain of salt-not my usual source. ”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. I’ve also heard that Pac12 may not have enough yes votes from members to add SDSU and SMU. Show more replies. that will be accurate. That’s all I’ve got. @xtmountain. @KStateKyle. The ESPN offer wasn’t $25m per school. 4:22 AM · Jul 19, 2023. Replying to @Tomkatf14. ”“Alright! Got the go ahead to post it. B12 might be inviting 2 schools that have applied to further weaken PAC and maybe force WA/OR hand. March 7th. Still waiting on my main source to give me the go ahead to share. Life has been different since my brothers passing and priorities have changed a bit. 2. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. and @TheAPBerry. 2. Replying to . MHver3 @MHver3. Valuation of per school is higher if omitting 2 of the 6 because the projected media dollars are very similar with or without those 2. AZ has not been completely vetted like the other two but since they are current P5 B12 would get Prorata. ”MHver3 @MHver3. 251. Hearing Colorado President and AD will be meeting with BY on campus in the near future. Retweets. They are content to sit at 16 and wait out Notre Dame. Retweets. Found. ”My source is confident of a few things: 16 Mar 2023 13:22:493:25 AM · Jul 4, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. 21. ”“@IceDevilCA @TheAPBerry I was meaning had the second ACC raid not occurred. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and Fox”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Up to 75% would be streaming. It’s not the B12s fault that we see an opportunity to strengthen ourselves now. No football home for Uconn in exchange either. Not sure what’s going on there yet-just hearing preliminary info-but hearing it from multiple sources. We currently get about $4m for that same content. This person isn’t a high level employee and I’ve verified they are who they say they are. MHver3 @MHver3. “@RChalk94 B12 100% takes Colorado if they want in. 17. Replying to @MHver3. OMG I was wrong. “Morning tidbits: Fox is done with Pac12 as an entity and has no plans to even bid on a new tv contract. ”Just heard from a source that Oregon has reached out to the B12 about potential membership with the condition they have a negotiated out of the GOR if the B10 comes calling. 02 Jun 2023 22:14:16. My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. Yearly scheduling of 1 ACC team per school. ACC still has 2 blue bloods to B12’s 1. Gonzaga is in for basketball. 5 billion a year with their next contract (and BTN) and will now wait and watch the landscape. ”“@tsaundry13 @CFBKnights The tv deal plus accn money is about $31m per school. 22 Feb 2023 21:50:26Reposting this again at the request of my source with alternate phrasing: Colorado board will meet Monday to informally poll where votes would lie for leaving PAC. 3. Log in. (I’m on a mini vacation right now so I haven’t been doing a lot of talking with him the past few days). @MHver3. I’m being told there will be a Big12 meeting that evening that could potentially have huge ramifications for the Big12 and the college sports landscape in general. ”“I want to hear from Oregon fans. If Jimbo gets fired from TAMU (unlikely but possible) he would be the front runner. 33. ” March 7th. Pac12 additions in all sports are priority number 1. Better than all 4 Four Corners schools. One feels they were sold a false bill of goods when they joined. $120m from Amazon/$100m espn. ”“@Lake_Cowboy @KDVanderpool We had a good one with TX. See new Tweets“@TreJacksonStan @kg4cy I guess that’s subjective. Sign upFwiw I’m hearing the ION Tv thing was a red herring fed to McMurphy and Kliavkoff is only a few days away from having 2 final proposals in hand to take to his schools for voting. ”Uconn is going to win the championship. Some in the PAC are trying to push a couple of the others out in an effort to add 2 “better” markets for tv and recruiting without increasing the mouths to feed. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 4:22 AM · Jul 19, 2023. Likely not enough votes there to oust him yet but the cracks are showing. Miguel. MHver3 @MHver3. ”On the eve of a significant B12 meeting got a few tidbits to offer up. 3:14 AM · Jul 24, 2021. and @Mountaineer_Ste. Baylor is too. If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. 2. There are some trying to angle SDSU or even Fresno as an alt travel partner for Stanford but the metrics show Cal is actually more desirable to tv partners”Kliavkoff is still trying to leverage more $ from ESPN but they are so far apart (allegedly almost $200m per year) that some at ESPN have told people in the B12 that Kliavkoff seems to be either desperate or cluelessThings aren’t blowing up just yet…BUT…Colorado is having another meeting tomorrow to continue down the road of departing the PAC. @cwishn. ACC has special deal with espn to add those 4 at prorata even though it wasn’t built into the contract. 2. 6. @bobtrollsby. Guess the state of AZ to BIG12 has died down though. I’ve maintained that schools are still waiting on the deal to come in before making a decision. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. MHver3 @MHver3. 4. 27. ”“My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Conversation“Very risky for PAC to walk from what espn was offering but desperate times…”“@bigg_t08 I don’t want to predict anything about what the final offer will be because so much can change. ”“@mikednfl Absolutely. And there are ongoing discussions on how that money could be generated through selling the extra inventory. Washington was their next choice. 19. Learn more. Feel like FSU is the most vocal because they are the most edge case in the ACC. The other $5m is from a variety of different T3 revenue streams. ”“@kiwicanuck76 I’m told it’s because the conference has 4 states and 8 schools on their no travel list. There’s so much information to pour through and so many moving pieces that B12 leadership alone can’t keep up. “So this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. Log in. “RUMOR: Pac12 offer from ESPN: $220 million per year, no expansion. Sign up“@tsaundry13 Too early to tell. I did want to take a minute to share a few things though. Sign upLog in. BC, Wake, Cuse. And GK. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. They want no part of unequal revenue sharing. PAC is in an exclusive window with the 2 main networks bidding on B10 that expires next week. A thread is a series Tweets from one person. “@BIG10Bruin When did I say we weren’t getting some combination of the 4 corner schools. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. so mhver az asu utah and colorado do you think they are gonzo heading to join us in the big12 ? 1. If B12 adds the right 6 PAC schools it can see its yearly payouts go above that $35m per school number the way the current deal is structured. As well as ESPN about triggering the reopening of their contract in the event of additions. They are looking at 1. Oh btw there is an AZ board of regents. That’s it. “Also as part of this deal ESPN would pay Oregon and Washington an additional $15 million per year for the trade off of playing 2 ACC teams per year. 2:56 PM · Jul 4, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. Idea:…Pls tweet what the time will in 5The soon to be PAC defections are “on the precipice” of sealing the deal. Sign upThe source that gave me this info said if Apple does pull out of PAC negotiations then it puts PAC in a very bad position and may have to settle for far less money than even the smallest estimates that have leaked. ”“@JamieExorcistof You are correct. “@AveCope Big12 believes it will be able to offer $36-40m with OR and WA plus control of Tier3 tv rights. We aren’t privately funded like Stanford is. The other $5m is from a variety of different T3 revenue streams. 9. I actually don’t want more western schools. Found. My source says it’s getting more and more likely a prodigal son returns. Current B12 expansion landscape: Colorado and UConn have been completely vetted by the conference and networks and B12 will receive pro-rata for both. Houston and BYU applications are in. 2:49 AM · Jul 19, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. Most recent figure I’ve heard for Pac12 is just south of $20m per year per school after broadcasting expenses are covered in house. The only 2 schools in the PAC that B12 has had no open dialogue with are the Cali schools. It actually decreases it. Sign upAt this point there’s probably more votes of no confidence for Kliavkoff than there are yes votes for SDSU. “You can’t make this stuff up! (Though I will be accused of it anyway 😂). I’ve shared that here last summer. The ESPN offer wasn’t $25m per school. B12 has been told by sources from WSU and Oregon State that they will be submitting applications to the B12 pending how successful the first round of merger talks go. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. My source can confirm Colorado is. @CFBKnights.